karl rove said this morning that revenues are actually higher than they were in 2008, and we checked, and he's right, if you look at the 2007 numbers a little over 2.56 trillion, 2.524 in 2008, and the projected revenue for fiscal 2013, 2.6 trillion. alan, so when the president says we really got to have more taxes, how should the media treat that? >> is the numbers we're looking at right now, that's going to solve our problems as if there is nothing else we should do. republicans agree now we have to at least raise taxes on the top one percent, this is not even a debate at this point. the notion that you can do just one thing and that solves all our revenue problems has been discounted even by republicans who realize that's what we have to do right now. jon: jim, no debate. i think they realize that obama hald alowe bam obama had call the cards to play on the fiscal cliff. a think tank run by the former president says if we got economic growth to 4% we could balance the budget. then you get into technology, innovation and energy, and fracking. i mean, for example, california alone ha